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Spiritual Chat 359 ---------- "E-mail Version" ------- About Spiritual Chat 359 "The Duty That Is Greater Than God, Is The Duty That You Let God Do Within You, Before You Die To The Flesh In Your Current State" Date of Chat: November 16, 2006, on Thursday Night, before the Jumma Prayer Chat Between: Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) and Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler), at the "Feet of God" for "Your Age"
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Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son.
Bawa. "Your duty to God" is to let God finish what "God has started" within you, a very, very long time ago, even before you were born into this earth world, which is to reveal God to God within you, for the benefit of all of the Creation of God within you. Amen.
Bawa. And the first thing you must do to support what "God is doing" with what is "Within God" within you, is the same duty that the apple seed buried within the earth has to the "Group Project" that it is really about, which is what?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The apple seed (buried in the earth) must come to the understanding that it must let itself end in the proper way, that is, by joining (as One with) with the earth, to let itself end, so that the apple tree can come out of this union of (Oneness), of the apple seed and earth.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Yes, Yes, Yes. Bawa. Now isn't it a wonder that you know the duty that the apple seed buried within the earth has, in relationship with the earth it is buried within, and with the apple tree hidden within it, an apple tree which is just waiting to happen, and bear fruit, and yet you don't know the duty that the "Seed of God" buried within the Creation of God within you has.
Bawa. That is, the relationship that the "Seed of God" buried within the Creation of God within you, which in truth "Is You", is your 6th life, your soul life, has to the Creation of God it is buried within, which in truth is this earth world you are now experiencing as the "outside" of you, but is really within you, and everything within it.
Bawa. And the relationship that this "Seed of God" has with the "Tree of God" hidden within that "Seed of God", which in truth is God within you, and True Man within God within you just waiting to happen within you, and bear the "Fruit of God", for the benefit of all of the Creation of God within you.
Bawa. So what is your first duty to God within you, that is, to the "Group Project" that you are really about, which is what?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The Group Project is about Curtis ending as separate from God so that God can continue the work that He began so long ago, to answer the question "Who am I?" for the benefit of all of His Creations.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar Bawa. A nice answer, but please try again following the example of the duty of the apple seed buried within the earth, if you like. Ok?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The duty of Curtis is to end in the proper way by coming to an understanding that he must let himself end by joining together with the True Shaikh (Bawa Muhaiyaddeen [Ral.]) and letting himself end in Bawa so that God can continue His work that has been interrupted by Curtis' insisting that he exists as separate from God.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Again a nice answer, but you are trying to bring more to it than necessary, instead take the answer you gave for the apple seed buried within the earth, and just substitute the "Seed of God" for the apple seed, and the "Creation of God" for the earth, and the "Tree of God" for the apple tree, if you like. Ok?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The "Seed of God" must come to the understanding that it must let itself end in the proper way by joining with the "Creation of God", to let itself end so that the "Tree of God" can come out of this union of (Oneness), of the "Seed of God" and the "Creation of God".
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Wonderful, and notice the big difference between this beautifully simple answer and your previous answers, there is no mention of "Who"?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. That rascal Curtis.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Yes, Yes, Yes. Bawa. Is this enough for tonight?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, this is enough for tonight. Anbu.
============================================================== Introduction - to Spiritual Chat 359
Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate.
Bawa. Al-salam 'alaykum wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. Wa 'alaykum al-salam wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children. May God help all of My Children. May God be please with all of My Children. Amen.
Bawa. My love you (anbu), dearest loving Sons and Daughters, and brothers and sisters, and all of My Children - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.
Bawa. Here is Page 1 of 1 of an E-mail Version of "Spiritual Chat 359", a beautiful Spiritual Chat between our dearest loving Son Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) and our dearest loving Son Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler), at the "Feet of God" for your age, at the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us), for the age of the "Justice of Conscience", where "Who you are?" is now "What is within you", no longer "What is on the outside of you" as most of My Children still mistakenly believe.
Bawa. To read a longer Outline & Summary Version of the same Spiritual Chat, that is, of "Spiritual Chat 359", one with an Outline and with an Expanded Summary of some Outline Topics, please click HERE, or above in the "Main Go To", on Go To Outline & Summary Version. Thank you . Enjoy. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Amen.
Bawa. A Spiritual Chat that "We" have given the "Short Title":
"The Duty That Is Greater Than God, Is The Duty That You Let God Do Within You, Before You Die To The Flesh In Your Current State".
Bawa. And a Spiritual Chat that "We" have given the following "Expanded Title", to better reflect the multiple focus of this sharing, at the "Feet of God" for your age, which in truth is the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him) within you, and of God within Him, and now on the "outside" of you, at the feet of His Children (may God be pleased with each of Us), which in truth is each of you living in this age, if you like, for in truth the Choice is yours, not God's.
Bawa. That is, if the true intention for your life within you, for your soul life, is to again become "One with" God within you, before you die to the flesh in your current state within you, that is, in your current state of living a life of "separation and differences" on the illusory "outside" of you, as if you are "separate from" God within you, as if you are "separate from" each other within you, and as if you are "separate from' the Creation of God within you, all of which is "Just Not True".
Expanded Title of Spiritual Chat 359 Between: Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman And Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen, on 11-16-06
"Join In Partnership With God Within You, To Do Your Duty To God, That is, To Let God Within You Grow The Katpaha Virudcham, The Wish Fulfilling Tree Within You, To Do Your Duty To Your Shaikh, That is, To Let Your Shaikh Within You, Become, Taste, and Preserve The Nourishing Sweetness of The Fruit of That Tree Within You, To Do Your Duty To Your Heart or Fellowship That Is, To Let All of Your Brothers And Sisters Benefit From The Light of Your Loving Heart To Dispel The Darkness In Their Heart, And To Do Your Duty To The World Family, By Being One Who Exists As The Form of Compassion, As The "Common Wealth" of All Creation, And Is of Service And Help To All of Them, If You Like, For The Choice is Yours, Not God's, That is, The Choice To "Use Your Life" In This Way, Or Not, As What Allows God To Finish What God Started Within You, A Very, Very Long Time Ago, Which Is To Reveal God To God Within You, For The Benefit of All of The Creation of God Within You, All of Which Is Your Choice, Not "Our" Choice Within You, And Not God's Choice Within "Us" Within You. Amen. Ok?"
Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children. May God help all of My Children. May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen.
Bawa. My love you (anbu) - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.
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[Note: The part of the following "Text" of this Spiritual Chat that is in "Red", is the part that is included in the "A Brief Ovewview" at the beginning of this Web page. Thank you. Enjoy. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Amen]
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem. In the name of God, most Merciful, most compassionate.
Bawa. Al-salaam 'alaykum, my dear Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him and with Us). May the Peace, the Beneficence, and the Blessings of God be with you and with all of "Our" beautiful and loving family. Anbu.
Bawa. My love you - Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him and with Us.)
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the Name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate.
Bawa. Wa 'alaykum al-salam My dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.
Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Does "Our" dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us) have any questions, comments, or sharings?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Dear Father Bawa, would it be appropriate to speak about duty tonight? This is what comes when "we" ask Bawa within "us" and God within Him, "What should we speak about tonight?"
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And what does Bawa teach "Us" about duty?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa teaches "Us" that
"Duty is greater than God."
Bawa. Bawa also teaches us that
"It is the primary duty of the disciples to greet the guru with reverence and obtain his blessings with patience and silence. They must be seated in one place without making any disturbance."
"The second duty is to conduct yourself knowing your inner responsibility and not disobeying the guru's words."
Bawa. Bawa also teaches us about the five faruls, or obligations, of faith in God, prayer to God, giving charity, having compassion on other lives and fasting, and the journey to Mecca and Medina. Bawa further goes on to explain the inner meanings of these obligations and what these mean to a True Man.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Very good Grasshopper, from one perspective, that is, from what Bawa told you, but you are missing a very important other perspective. What is it?
Bawa. And as a "hint". Think of the duty of the apple seed to the tree, and of the apple tree to the fruit, and of the apple fruit to the apple seed, and of the earth to both the apple seed and the apple tree. Ok?
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar.
Bawa. And remember, a "I don't know" is always a great answer, if you like. Ok?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. "I don't know" in truth, my Dear Father Bawa.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son.
Bawa. The perspective that you are missing, because you are coming from the perspective of what Curtis is doing, and of what Curtis was told by Bawa, is the perspective of "What God is doing" with what is "Within God" within you. Ok?
Bawa. For example, once you take that perspective, the very first question you will naturally ask is, "What is your duty to God?. Right?
Bawa. That is, what should "You be doing" with what is on the "outside" of you to support what "God is doing" with what is "Within God" within you. Right?
Bawa. And what does Bawa tell you about your duty to God?
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And remember a "I don't know" is really great. Ok?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, in truth "we" do not remember what Bawa taught us about our duty to God.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son.
Bawa. "Your duty to God" is to let God finish what "God has started" within you, a very, very long time ago, even before you were born into this earth world, which is to reveal God to God within you, for the benefit of all of the Creation of God within you. Amen. Bawa. And the first thing you must do to support what "God is doing" with what is "Within God" within you, is the same duty that the apple seed buried within the earth has to the "Group Project" that it is really about, which is what?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The apple seed (buried in the earth) must come to the understanding that it must let itself end in the proper way, that is, by joining (as One with) with the earth, to let itself end, so that the apple tree can come out of this union of (Oneness), of the apple seed and earth.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Yes, Yes, Yes.
Bawa. Now isn't it a wonder that you know the duty that the apple seed buried within the earth has, in relationship with the earth it is buried within, and with the apple tree hidden within it, an apple tree which is just waiting to happen, and bear fruit, and yet you don't know the duty that the "Seed of God" buried within the Creation of God within you has.
Bawa. That is, the relationship that the "Seed of God" buried within the Creation of God within you, which in truth "Is You", is your 6th life, your soul life, has to the Creation of God it is buried within, which in truth is this earth world you are now experiencing as the "outside" of you, but is really within you, and everything within it.
Bawa. And the relationship that this "Seed of God" has with the "Tree of God" hidden within that "Seed of God", which in truth is God within you, and True Man within God within you just waiting to happen within you, and bear the "Fruit of God", for the benefit of all of the Creation of God within you.
Bawa. So what is your first duty to God within you, that is, to the "Group Project" that you are really about, which is what?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The Group Project is about Curtis ending as separate from God so that God can continue the work that He began so long ago, to answer the question "Who am I?" for the benefit of all of His Creations.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar Bawa. A nice answer, but please try again following the example of the duty of the apple seed buried within the earth, if you like. Ok?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The duty of Curtis is to end in the proper way by coming to an understanding that he must let himself end by joining together with the True Shaikh (Bawa Muhaiyaddeen) and letting himself end in Bawa so that God can continue His work that has been interrupted by Curtis' insisting that he exists as separate from God.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Again a nice answer, but you are trying to bring more to it than necessary, instead take the answer you gave for the apple seed buried within the earth, and just substitute the "Seed of God" for the apple seed, and the "Creation of God" for the earth, and the "Tree of God" for the apple tree, if you like. Ok?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The "Seed of God" must come to the understanding that it must let itself end in the proper way by joining with the "Creation of God", to let itself end so that the "Tree of God" can come out of this union of (Oneness), of the "Seed of God" and the "Creation of God".
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Wonderful, and notice the big difference between this beautifully simple answer and your previous answers, there is no mention of "Who"?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. That rascal Curtis.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Yes, Yes, Yes. Bawa. Is this enough for tonight?
MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, this is enough for tonight. Anbu.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Bawa. Please give "Our" love and salams to all of "My Children". Amen. Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we will certainly do as You ask. Please give "Our" love and salams to all of "My Children". Amen. Bawa. My love you - Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Now read "Golden Words Number 907", "The Five Duties", in the beautiful book of wisdom, "Golden Words of a Sufi Shaikh" (www.GoldenWords.homestead.com). Ok?
MMSulaiman11:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we will do as You ask. Anbu.
MuhaiyaddeenLB:
Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Anbu.
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